Suppose it turns out that the mechanism being used to read another's mind really is electromagnetic waves being transmitted by one brain and received by another. That would still be pretty remarkable, and wouldn't we still call that "telepathy"? I guess I don't understand the purpose of the Faraday cage, and what that's trying to prove.
Yeah great point and I'll get into this more in the next part. I think we can likely communicate on many levels including electromagnetic fields. I'm not sure what the Faraday cage is supposed to prove other than that there's no cheating with hidden electronics or maybe that this is a truly "non-ordinary" phenomenon. Something they mentioned in the show is that Ganzfeld telepathy, which is less of a 100% thing and more of an unusually-above-chance thing, has been shown to work from a submerged submarine, which makes EM unlikely to be the carrier. Maybe they're going straight for the strangest thing they can prove. I don't even know if it's going to work but I'm looking forward to finding out.
I think the kind of thing you describe is likely and possible. Evolution can for sure find physical laws we don't know about and use them. At the same time the following article has made me deeply sceptical of the Telepathy Tapes because of the controversy in the origins of spelling to communicate. I'm wary, have you watched the videos? I haven't. Apparently they make it clearer what is happening. https://www.theamericansaga.com/p/the-telepathy-tapes-is-taking-america
Yeah I just paid $10 to see the videos last night. Unfortunately I think they're very ambiguous, I don't know if the show creators are saving their best material for the documentary or if they don't understand how subtle and unconscious human communication can be. In most of the videos the facilitator is holding the letter or number board in the air, which in the show Ky describes as holding it perfectly still. But this is impossible, there will inevitably be subtle movement, which the board amplifies (the well-known ideomotor response). The strongest example is Akhil across a room, but his mother vocalizes between every letter, which is unfortunately reminiscent of a famous mentalism act where the magicians encoded a vocabulary of hundreds of words in the duration of the pauses between utterances. I don't think they're doing it consciously but they may be inadvertently developing systems like these. Which would still be pretty remarkable! For me the most convincing video on the site is actually the footage of the parrot describing photos from a room 55ft away with the doors closed. For human skills I'm not totally convinced by the evidence the show is presenting, but it also doesn't disprove anything, and they plan on doing a more rigorous test for the documentary, which I'm eager to see. My take is that this is a very complex type of situation which both the true believers and the skeptics are probably oversimplifying, and we'll need much better experiments to untangle what's going on.
Update: Just read the article you linked, it's really well done, thanks for sharing. It seems both Ky and Dr Powell are very aware of the ambiguity and that Ky made an independent decision to go public with this before getting more conclusive results on tape. The goal seems to be to raise funding for further research, and well, stirring a bit of controversy is a highly effective way to get attention so it could end well. I'm very interested to see where this leads.
> (these telepathic connections seem to be strongest between mother and child)
In the real world, this kind of thinking makes you a mark for con artists. A less gullible and naïve interpretation of this would be, they're in cahoots.
I'm listening to the podcast now. Another friend of mine also recommended it. Just started Episode 1. It'll take me a while to get through it though, 'cause I only listen to it during car rides to/from tennis, which is only like a 12-minute drive!
I am new to your work Jesse and wow, this was a masterpiece. Well done
Suppose it turns out that the mechanism being used to read another's mind really is electromagnetic waves being transmitted by one brain and received by another. That would still be pretty remarkable, and wouldn't we still call that "telepathy"? I guess I don't understand the purpose of the Faraday cage, and what that's trying to prove.
Yeah great point and I'll get into this more in the next part. I think we can likely communicate on many levels including electromagnetic fields. I'm not sure what the Faraday cage is supposed to prove other than that there's no cheating with hidden electronics or maybe that this is a truly "non-ordinary" phenomenon. Something they mentioned in the show is that Ganzfeld telepathy, which is less of a 100% thing and more of an unusually-above-chance thing, has been shown to work from a submerged submarine, which makes EM unlikely to be the carrier. Maybe they're going straight for the strangest thing they can prove. I don't even know if it's going to work but I'm looking forward to finding out.
I think the kind of thing you describe is likely and possible. Evolution can for sure find physical laws we don't know about and use them. At the same time the following article has made me deeply sceptical of the Telepathy Tapes because of the controversy in the origins of spelling to communicate. I'm wary, have you watched the videos? I haven't. Apparently they make it clearer what is happening. https://www.theamericansaga.com/p/the-telepathy-tapes-is-taking-america
Yeah I just paid $10 to see the videos last night. Unfortunately I think they're very ambiguous, I don't know if the show creators are saving their best material for the documentary or if they don't understand how subtle and unconscious human communication can be. In most of the videos the facilitator is holding the letter or number board in the air, which in the show Ky describes as holding it perfectly still. But this is impossible, there will inevitably be subtle movement, which the board amplifies (the well-known ideomotor response). The strongest example is Akhil across a room, but his mother vocalizes between every letter, which is unfortunately reminiscent of a famous mentalism act where the magicians encoded a vocabulary of hundreds of words in the duration of the pauses between utterances. I don't think they're doing it consciously but they may be inadvertently developing systems like these. Which would still be pretty remarkable! For me the most convincing video on the site is actually the footage of the parrot describing photos from a room 55ft away with the doors closed. For human skills I'm not totally convinced by the evidence the show is presenting, but it also doesn't disprove anything, and they plan on doing a more rigorous test for the documentary, which I'm eager to see. My take is that this is a very complex type of situation which both the true believers and the skeptics are probably oversimplifying, and we'll need much better experiments to untangle what's going on.
Update: Just read the article you linked, it's really well done, thanks for sharing. It seems both Ky and Dr Powell are very aware of the ambiguity and that Ky made an independent decision to go public with this before getting more conclusive results on tape. The goal seems to be to raise funding for further research, and well, stirring a bit of controversy is a highly effective way to get attention so it could end well. I'm very interested to see where this leads.
> (these telepathic connections seem to be strongest between mother and child)
In the real world, this kind of thinking makes you a mark for con artists. A less gullible and naïve interpretation of this would be, they're in cahoots.
I'm listening to the podcast now. Another friend of mine also recommended it. Just started Episode 1. It'll take me a while to get through it though, 'cause I only listen to it during car rides to/from tennis, which is only like a 12-minute drive!
That was a wonderful sunday read :-) The images you used to were excellent and really helped me down the narrative path.